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Of Beer, Diabetes and Illness - Volconvo Debate Forums said in April 25th, 2009 at 3:37 AM

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Ana Grarian said in April 25th, 2009 at 5:20 AM

They’re gonna label that GM (genetically modified) Beer right?
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RS Janes said in April 25th, 2009 at 10:00 AM

I’m with Ana Grarian — I hope it’s clearly labeled that this is genetically-modified suds, and I hope they test this beer thoroughly.

As we’ve seen with the recent outbeak of this new Swine Flu virus, undesirable mutant strains can unexpectedly pop up, and this is especially true in artificially-modified crops. (Not to mention how this might affect the taste.)

The rampant cases of Type-2 diabetes in this country are mainly caused by processed food and too damn much refined sugar, from what I’ve read, not the naturally-femented sugars in beer.

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Ken Carman said in April 25th, 2009 at 9:57 PM

From my limited understanding I am a tad less concerned here than I am with, say, inserting a pig gene into a tomato or some of the more bizarre concoctions. That’s not how this works. They actually beyond cellular level and work with the timing mechanism, for example. So it still would be the basic component, they just design it to turn on at a different time.

Some of this is way beyond my somewhat college level understanding. Science was not my major by any means. As a species we have been doing this to a certain; far far less complex, extent through selective breeding. Dangerous at this level? Perhaps, though I don’t think Pandora’s Box could… or perhaps should… be shut. Will they be careful? Hope so.

As far as beer goes, brewers have been putting odd sugars into beer for a long time… like Belgian candy sugar. (In Belgium they use yeast some far more anal German brewers would toss; consider tainted. And they make some of the most fascinating beer in the world, in part, because of this.) Being able to custom design how, and when, a yeast flocs is a brewer’s dream. It might even address the “stuck fermentation” issue. If you know that yeastie is supposed to start flocculate at a exact time, then you know “stuck” or not.

Re: diabetes. Yeast creates alcohol, so the sugars are mostly fermented out… though some beers can be less fully fermented, especially when you get to stuff like barleywine where the high alcohol content can get a bit unfriendly with some yeasts. That’s why some bws can have a lot of residue sweetness. I would assume this meddling could actually address that somewhat. But otherwise the diabetes issue when it comes to beer has more to do with alcohol and carbs than sugar. And… could altering yeasts/timing mechanisms address that too?

And a final question for all those brewers out there…

If only sheep could study brewing techniques at Siebel, would they have to rename the institute, “Floc Ewe?”

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Ana Grarian said in April 28th, 2009 at 5:43 AM

Yes this is less disturbing than a pig gene in a tomato, but they are still using gene splicing techniques. This is not like breeding for a trait by choosing the plant or animal with the most desirable traits and then breeding only those plants or animals. This is using laboratory techniques to invade the cellular integrity of the yeast and to change its DNA.

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