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		<title>By: Ken Carman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ken Carman</dc:creator>
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		<description>I agree about the Germans. It was meant as a silly juxtaposition between claims the Right has made and what a Nazi really is.

  I hope your positive spin is right. We&#039;ll see in November. To be honest? I think the public is too stupid to get the more head game approach.

  Oh, and I admit, I may have missed some of this. I tire of MSM coverage, so I don&#039;t listen much. Think I&#039;d rather have a root canal with a jackhammer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree about the Germans. It was meant as a silly juxtaposition between claims the Right has made and what a Nazi really is.</p>
<p>  I hope your positive spin is right. We&#8217;ll see in November. To be honest? I think the public is too stupid to get the more head game approach.</p>
<p>  Oh, and I admit, I may have missed some of this. I tire of MSM coverage, so I don&#8217;t listen much. Think I&#8217;d rather have a root canal with a jackhammer.</p>
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		<title>By: RS Janes</title>
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		<description>Ken, I appreciate your passion and outrage on this, since I feel much the same myself, but watching Obama in the SOTU and his meeting with the GOP the next day, I began to appreciate, if not completely agree, with his approach. 

Not that I&#039;m comparing Obama to Gandhi or MLK, but I can see Obama&#039;s using similar tactics; both of those leaders employed reason and non-violence so as to not fall into the trap the British (in Gandhi&#039;s case) and the racists (in MLK&#039;s) were setting. In both cases, the opposition desperately wanted an angry revolutionary who would fight them with vicious words and threaten violence, not a mild-mannered, affable person who spoke calmly and rationally. Obama is refusing to play &#039;Angry Black Man&#039; to the Republicans and it&#039;s driving them crazy. 

In the SOTU speech, he made the regressives look like idiots for refusing to applaud such GOP staples as tax cuts and going after the banksters, simply because it was Obama proposing them. Someone must have gotten to the GOP delegation -- by the end of the speech, most of them were applauding, too, which, of course, angered their base. Obama had them in a damned if they do and damned if they don&#039;t situation -- don&#039;t applaud what you actively support and look like peevish morons to the independents you need to get elected, or applaud and rile your base up against you. It was a neat and very subtle trick on Obama&#039;s part.

The next day, speaking to the GOP retreat in Maryland, Obama affably fended off the usual GOP Talking Points (T.P., in the Charmin sense), and calmly set the record straight. The Republican Boobery thought this was a chance to embarrass or irritate Obama and he neatly flipped it back on them, leaving them on the mat with the wind knocked out of them. (He even called out Frank Luntz.) OTOH, if the GOP would have refused to allow Obama at their meeting, then they&#039;d look like a bunch of peevish a-holes, again, objectionable to the indies they desperately need. 

Don&#039;t make too much out of Scott Brown&#039;s ascendance -- Martha Coakley was a terrible candidate, Brown played possum until the last few weeks of the campaign, and he didn&#039;t campaign as a Republican on the &#039;God, Guns, Gays and I Hate Obama&#039; platform. Instead, he studiously avoided any mention that he was a Republican and kept styling himself as an &#039;independent.&#039; He&#039;ll be gone in the next regular election when Mass. voters realize he&#039;s Palin with a penis.

In my state, even with the Blago prosecution hanging over the Dems, the Republicans are not putting the party name in their ads or mentioning it on the stump, they don&#039;t slam Obama, and most run from any connection with the teabaggers. Like Brown, they&#039;re all trying to position themselves as &#039;moderate independents.&#039; That&#039;s telling since a lot of these same Republicans were flag-waving, full-bore supporters of Bush and his wars six and eight years ago.

Obama&#039;s poll numbers are going up and the GOP&#039;s are still wallowing in a ditch. Plus, I just heard some House members have come up with a scheme to pass some parts of health care reform through the Senate by 51-vote reconciliation and junking the Baucus-Lieberman disaster.

We&#039;ll see what happens, but all may not be lost, as frustrating as it seems right now.

&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;Now even most lefties claim Bill was convicted of perjury, something that never happened.&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I have noticed that, too. As far as I recall, Bill Clinton was never convicted of anything and his impeachment failed in the Senate. What&#039;s more, according to the definition of &#039;sex&#039; as agreed on by the Paula Jones civil suit, he didn&#039;t commit perjury. Our &#039;Liberal Media&#039; strikes again.

&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;Who pointed out that these facts made “ram” a damn lie? No one. Not MSNBC. Not CBS. Not ABC. Not ABC. Not the Times, the Post, the… not one.&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Actually, Ken, I did hear the media report the facts on MSNBC; not only Keith Olbermann and Rachel, but even David Shuster had a good laugh over this goofy notion and slapped down some &#039;GOP operative&#039; for bringing it up.

&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;Yes, I do remember Adolph Hitler making sure even the Jews had health care.&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

From what I know, the average German in the 30s and 40s had no idea the Jews were sent to concentration camps. Goebbels&#039; propaganda assured the Deutsche Volk they were being removed by train &#039;for their own protection&#039; and taken to the Jewish &#039;homeland&#039; in what was then Palestine -- the death camps were a top state secret only known to a small number of the Nazi elite and the camp personnel. Most Germans were shocked after the war when they found out what was done to the Jews in their name.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ken, I appreciate your passion and outrage on this, since I feel much the same myself, but watching Obama in the SOTU and his meeting with the GOP the next day, I began to appreciate, if not completely agree, with his approach. </p>
<p>Not that I&#8217;m comparing Obama to Gandhi or MLK, but I can see Obama&#8217;s using similar tactics; both of those leaders employed reason and non-violence so as to not fall into the trap the British (in Gandhi&#8217;s case) and the racists (in MLK&#8217;s) were setting. In both cases, the opposition desperately wanted an angry revolutionary who would fight them with vicious words and threaten violence, not a mild-mannered, affable person who spoke calmly and rationally. Obama is refusing to play &#8216;Angry Black Man&#8217; to the Republicans and it&#8217;s driving them crazy. </p>
<p>In the SOTU speech, he made the regressives look like idiots for refusing to applaud such GOP staples as tax cuts and going after the banksters, simply because it was Obama proposing them. Someone must have gotten to the GOP delegation &#8212; by the end of the speech, most of them were applauding, too, which, of course, angered their base. Obama had them in a damned if they do and damned if they don&#8217;t situation &#8212; don&#8217;t applaud what you actively support and look like peevish morons to the independents you need to get elected, or applaud and rile your base up against you. It was a neat and very subtle trick on Obama&#8217;s part.</p>
<p>The next day, speaking to the GOP retreat in Maryland, Obama affably fended off the usual GOP Talking Points (T.P., in the Charmin sense), and calmly set the record straight. The Republican Boobery thought this was a chance to embarrass or irritate Obama and he neatly flipped it back on them, leaving them on the mat with the wind knocked out of them. (He even called out Frank Luntz.) OTOH, if the GOP would have refused to allow Obama at their meeting, then they&#8217;d look like a bunch of peevish a-holes, again, objectionable to the indies they desperately need. </p>
<p>Don&#8217;t make too much out of Scott Brown&#8217;s ascendance &#8212; Martha Coakley was a terrible candidate, Brown played possum until the last few weeks of the campaign, and he didn&#8217;t campaign as a Republican on the &#8216;God, Guns, Gays and I Hate Obama&#8217; platform. Instead, he studiously avoided any mention that he was a Republican and kept styling himself as an &#8216;independent.&#8217; He&#8217;ll be gone in the next regular election when Mass. voters realize he&#8217;s Palin with a penis.</p>
<p>In my state, even with the Blago prosecution hanging over the Dems, the Republicans are not putting the party name in their ads or mentioning it on the stump, they don&#8217;t slam Obama, and most run from any connection with the teabaggers. Like Brown, they&#8217;re all trying to position themselves as &#8216;moderate independents.&#8217; That&#8217;s telling since a lot of these same Republicans were flag-waving, full-bore supporters of Bush and his wars six and eight years ago.</p>
<p>Obama&#8217;s poll numbers are going up and the GOP&#8217;s are still wallowing in a ditch. Plus, I just heard some House members have come up with a scheme to pass some parts of health care reform through the Senate by 51-vote reconciliation and junking the Baucus-Lieberman disaster.</p>
<p>We&#8217;ll see what happens, but all may not be lost, as frustrating as it seems right now.</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;Now even most lefties claim Bill was convicted of perjury, something that never happened.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>I have noticed that, too. As far as I recall, Bill Clinton was never convicted of anything and his impeachment failed in the Senate. What&#8217;s more, according to the definition of &#8216;sex&#8217; as agreed on by the Paula Jones civil suit, he didn&#8217;t commit perjury. Our &#8216;Liberal Media&#8217; strikes again.</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;Who pointed out that these facts made “ram” a damn lie? No one. Not MSNBC. Not CBS. Not ABC. Not ABC. Not the Times, the Post, the… not one.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>Actually, Ken, I did hear the media report the facts on MSNBC; not only Keith Olbermann and Rachel, but even David Shuster had a good laugh over this goofy notion and slapped down some &#8216;GOP operative&#8217; for bringing it up.</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;Yes, I do remember Adolph Hitler making sure even the Jews had health care.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>From what I know, the average German in the 30s and 40s had no idea the Jews were sent to concentration camps. Goebbels&#8217; propaganda assured the Deutsche Volk they were being removed by train &#8216;for their own protection&#8217; and taken to the Jewish &#8216;homeland&#8217; in what was then Palestine &#8212; the death camps were a top state secret only known to a small number of the Nazi elite and the camp personnel. Most Germans were shocked after the war when they found out what was done to the Jews in their name.</p>
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